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is it legal or illegal to camp in European countries?

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is it legal or illegal to camp in European countries?

hello to all lovely cyclists

I'm planning to cycle through some European countries on summer and my route is ((Greece-Italy-France-Belgium-Netherlands-Germany) only in 85 days(because of visa duration limitation).
i will pass these cities in Europe :((Istanbul(start)-Komotini-Xanthi-Kavla-Thessaloniki-Katerini-Larissa-Lamia-Athens-Patra-Bari-Naples-Rome-Florence-Bologna-Poudua-Vecice-Verona-Milan-Torino-Grenpble-lyon-Paris-Lille-Bruxelles-Antwerpen-Breda-Utrecht-Zwolle-Mepple-Weener-Haren-Oberhausen-Bochum-Essen-Dusseldorf-cologne(final destination))
any suggestion for my route would be greatly appreciated.
I've hosted some European cyclists and all of them said me that it's illegal to camp in their countries.
i want to experience wild camping and get into the nature but why is it illegal to camp?!!!
2)what is the punishment for someone who camps on the road?
3)what is the solution?
4)do you think how much my expenses will be per a day in Europe in $ ?
5)can i find bike repair shop in major cities easily?
6)do you think that will you have possibility to host me?
7)can i really cycle this route in 85 days?
8)how safe roads are in Europe?
9)what is the best way to access internet connection,(can i find WIFI in major cities or i have to use internet coffee)?
10)is it possible to cross the borders anywhere between European countries?
11)is it legal to have some medicine like cold stop pills for any possible illness on the road (i heard in Greece it's highly prohibited)?
12)what are the recommended energetic foods for a cyclist on the road ?
13)have you ever got robbed on the road in Europe or elsewhere(what is the best place to hide money in the bike because i don't have credit card and i will carry in cash ?
14)how can i defend myself from any brigands on the roads (some people recommend me paper spray but i think it's illegal in every country)?
15)should i take my bike inside the tent while sleeping at night?
i'm not experienced cyclist and i really need your help.
best regards

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Yeah I wouldn't worry too

Yeah I wouldn't worry too much. I cycled through 19 european countries on a 6 months tour last year and I camped in the wild almost every night. It's quite easy in France and Germany no problem to find quiet spots, same in Belgium, Italy was also not too bad but sometimes it's very dry so not easy to find a lot of vegetation to hide.
Otherwise there is always the possibility to go ask in a farm if you could stay in a field that belongs to the farm, or a backyard.
In Greece we were afraid of bears in the north mountains so we usually went to small villages and ask if we could stay somewhere for the night and people usually let us stay close to the church or on the children playground. Also they have a lot of problems with fires in Greece so they don't like it when people just camp anywhere and use their stove, that's what we were told.
Enjoy!

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camping

Hello! Dont worry all will be just fine...
1. There are two different things: camping and bivouaking. If somethig, always say thats the emergency case you just bivouaking for a night. No fire, no garbage, etc. Camping usually means staying more nights with fire and capervan...
2. The worst - you will have pack all the stuff and leave...
3. Nearly always you will find some place well hidden... If not just ask some people, farmers, etc.
4. I was able to live for 5 euros a day (just for food) in Scotland, England, France, Spain and Portugal. Balkan is cheaper of course...
5. Shouldnt be a problem. As mentioned above, Balkan can be a problem...
6. Unfortunatelly I am on the tour as well. But if you go across Czech, let me know...
7. Yes
8. Small roads are great everywhere
9. Public libraries in bigger cities
10. Shouldnt be a problem

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Balkans r never problem...

Some of u said that Balkans r problem.No way friends they r the kindest people in the world.I m not from Balkans but from Turkey but u can find so many kind people who share their food n drinks.First of all u need to ride your bike at the countryside.It is the best solution for u.
I ll ve a tour in July from Turkey to Germany n i ll use the way of Balkans the first part is Bulgaria n i dont think so it ll be so harmful n difficult ;)

Safe travel n good luck...

Çetin

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Hi, most of your questions

Hi, most of your questions are already well answere, but let me add some details:

(4) I also live and travel with 5 euro a day, you just have to walk a supermarket once you enter y new country and spend some time to check prizes til you get a clue, what is the cheapest food. For that, compare the kilo prizes, they are showed on each product.

(9) I always go to public libraries in many countries for free internet. Sometimes you get a temporary membership for a day or just a Id and password to use the internet, sometimes its limited for 30 minutes, sometimes not, depends.
And the libraries you find almost everywhere not only in big cities.
Or check universities, they also have libraries and internet.
To get to know where you find them, go to the tourist information, they might even give you a map and other informations.

take care

Sven

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"...but why is it illegal to camp?!!!.."

I don't think it's possible to generalise about ALL the European countries , especially in this respect....

However, you should be aware that in many places , camping is illegal because it often creates problems for the local people. While any one person ( such as a cyclist) may think they are "all OK" , they may not *look* like that to the local people. The risk of fire in Greece is a good example.

There will be places where you will find you are subject to Police attention if you insist on "wild camping" ; and some places where you put yourself in danger - each country will be different.

My suggestion is that you use "wild camping" as a last resort , your first step should be " ask local people" - sometimes you will receive an offer to camp in a garden or a farm in rural areas.

But if not, you might have to pay sometimes. Be prepared for that : be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

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is it legal or illegal to camp in European countries?

as already explained by Zbynek Vintr in a previous message, in almost any european country, "camping" is illegal but "bivouac" is legal. The difference between the two is simple : bivouac is when you arrive in the evening and leave next morning.

There are a few exceptions :
• If the land owner puts signs advertising that he does not allow people to stay on his piece of land, just go further. Only very few people forbid bivouac on their property.
• In Croatia, in summer, even bivouac is forbidden. Same in several mediterranean regions (southern France, Greece, Spain) : bivouac may be forbidden when the risk of forest fire is high, in summer.
• In regional or national parks, bivouak may be forbidden too, but the rules may be different from park to park. In France for example, bivouak is allowed only if the nearest "refuge" (shelter or camping) is more than 1 hour walk from your spot.
• Specific risks : in some regions of former Yougoslavia, there are still landmines.

"2)what is the punishment for someone who camps on the road?"
if you are in one if the exceptions listed above : move to another spot. And pay a fine in areas where bivouac is forbidden because of risks of forest fire or national parks rules.

"4)do you think how much my expenses will be per a day in Europe in $ ?"
if you bivouac, it will depend on what you eat, and if you allow extras (visit museums or touristic sites). In western Europe, not so easy to spend less than 6-8 € par day.

"5)can i find bike repair shop in major cities easily?"
yes

"6)do you think that will you have possibility to host me?"
yes, maybe, if you go through the Alps. I was impressed by hospitality in Turkey and Central Asia when I traveled there, so, I would be glad to host a cyclist from this part of the world. Use the "search host by region" function of WarmShowers at the dates where you plan to be in each region.

"7)can i really cycle this route in 85 days?"
probably yes, although I would not do so many kilometers in 85 days. You could consider taking a train with your bike in some places, but it will add expenses.

"8)how safe roads are in Europe?"
depends on the country, but overall safer than in Turkey (and probably Iran, but I've not yet been to Iran), I think. Prefer small roads ; main roads with heavy traffic are unpleasant and cars drive faster.

"10)is it possible to cross the borders anywhere between European countries?"

yes, if you have a Schengen visa, you can cross any border anywhere in the Schengen zone (25 european countries). See for example
http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/visa-policy/index_en.htm

"11)is it legal to have some medicine like cold stop pills for any possible illness on the road?"

in France, some products may be restricted, but even for those, you can carry a small quantity if you have a paper from your doctor.

"13)what is the best place to hide money in the bike because i don't have credit card and i will carry in cash ?"

Don't carry all your cash in the same place, and always have some cash + your passport with you.

"14)how can i defend myself from any brigands on the roads (some people recommend me paper spray but i think it's illegal in every country)?"
you may get robbed when you leave your bike unattended while you're shopping, or during the night if you leave your panniers out of the tent, but the risk of being assaulted is very weak! I don't carry pepper spray even when I travel alone.

"15)should i take my bike inside the tent while sleeping at night?"

I don't think it's a good solution. Just carry a small tent for yourself, and attach your bike to your tent or to a tree with a bike lock. The lock will also be useful when you stop in a city for shopping or for a visit.

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Hi all! Last year we made a

Hi all!
Last year we made a 100-days long toure in Europe and mostly wild camping. As I know is not illegal wide camping in German, France, Spain, Italy, Hungary etc. etc. just there are some rules:
-you can spend one night tenting in these countries at the same place, so next day you should move and find other place
- you need permit from the owner if you want to camp on a privat area
- it's forbidden camping on nature reserve areas

Thats all, but we never asked for permission we just searched a calm outlandish place.
In Netherland its forbidden wild camping, and in Belgium I dont know.

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Belgium is OK

I've just ridden through Belgium on my world tour and had no problems wild camping. In France I had the Police come check I was OK once, then wish me luck.

Love wild camping...

http://www.dereksbiketrip.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/IMG_0602-1024x768.jpg

Derek
http://www.dereksbiketrip.com

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camping in Holland/Belgium

It might be difficult to find a good camping spot in the Netherlands (and Belgium). Because it's flat and there are many open fields, it's easier to spot a tent. Also the Dutch tend to use every m3, so there aren't many unused areas...
But there are probably enough warmshowershosts around!

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travel plan

hi, i'm jacopo, from turin..i reed your travel plan and thi summer i've the same plan from turin to bruxelles..
i can't find when you want to travel around europe, but if your plan is to be here in turin around this week, write me soon and we can go together, or you can just have a warm shower and a hot meal here in my house!
let me know
jacopo

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many thanks

thank you very very much all dear cyclists for sharing your experiences and your great replies . i'm dealing with visa matters at the moment and i start cycling as soon as i have visa in my passport .

@Jacopo Bertolotti : many thanks for your warm invitation , unfortunately because of visa matters i couldn't start cycling at the time i was planing for.
I've applied for visa from Greek embassy and I'm waiting for the result .

Best regards, Hamed

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camping in france and swiss and BELLA ITALIA

know this is an old request but may help others.

Indeed no problems with "camping sauvage", by experience .

HOWEVER BEWARE with your belongings ... I think the worse is in France near big cities.
What I do is the following, I have a very larg sheet and cover my bike like a tent and i sleep just nearby.
so if someone want to move my bike , ...will wake me up.

I would never ever sleep in a tent and leave my bike outside !

take a knife or pepper spay against the dogs ! was tackled and biten by dogs in italy.

if i am alone and must do shopping, I just walk into the shop with my bike, just a try !
In swiss, do not hesitate to do so at macDo, .... macDo wifii very ok not like in italy (for swiss provider)